The Constitutional Right to Vote

The New Hampshire Secretary of State has testified that 50,000 citizens who are eligible to vote don’t have a photo ID. Most of those non-drivers are older people who had to stop driving because of vision or health problems, disabled people who are unable to drive, young people who can’t afford a car or driving lessons and city people who have public transportation.

All of them can register to vote by providing other documents. Now, the Legislature has sent the Governor a bill, SB289, that would require these people to show a driver’s or non-driver’s license, a passport or military ID in order to get a ballot on Election Day. If they don’t have one of those four IDs, they’ll have to fill out an affidavit, get it notarized, get a photo taken and give the affidavit and photo to the Ballot Clerks every time they go to vote.

One of my State Representatives, Al Baldasaro, told me once that if only one person votes who isn’t registered it’s too many. My response to him is that if only one person is denied their Constitutional right to vote it’s too many.

Very, very few people have passports or military IDs. Basically, SB289 is a bill that makes not driving a car grounds to discriminate against people who have the Constitutional right to vote.

I urge the Governor to veto SB289 and I urge the Legislators to sustain the veto.

Jerry Conner
Londonderry

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  1. +12 Vote -1 Vote +1Sydney

    Jerry, nice letter. The way I see it is everyone should have an ID regardless if you are going to vote. It’s called personal responsibility. If people who vote can make it to the polls twice a year, then they should be able to take a detour to get an ID. Is it really that difficult to acquire one? I’m pretty confident it’s not easy to keep the voter checklist correct and up to date. I’ve looked down and seen my ex on the list and they have not lived in Londonderry for seven years. Perhaps keeping the checklist from public view at the polls would be benificial.
    Some sort of check and balance needs to be in place to prevent fraud, asking for an ID seems to positive step in that direction.

  2. +11 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

    Voter fraud is a threat that cuts to the very core of a democracy. Every vote stolen by means of fraud is another assault on freedom, unless of course, you hold the “vote early and vote often” adage dear. In a world where a photo ID is required to cash a check, get on a plane, or even rent a video, is requiring one to vote such an onerous burden?

    As James O’Keefe has shown how easily procuring a ballot under false pretense can be, including a demonstration right here in NH, efforts must be undertaken to ensure that all elections are free from impropriety. Not only do we need a photo ID law, we need to provide for the security of absentee ballots. In 2011, Lessadolla Sowers, a Mississippi NAACP Executive Committee member, received a five year prison term for using absentee ballots to cast the votes for ten other people.

    Could it be that those who rail the loudest against requiring ID to vote are those most fearful of losing a significant base of support, illegal voters? Methinks thou protest too much.

  3. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

    No one is having their constitutional right to vote taken away. If so, could you please name the person? You know , it’s funny. This argument of people unable to get an id is ridiculous. If they don’t have a license some one must be taking them to the grocery store, the bank or the pharmacy. If they truely can’t get out of the house, how would they get to the polls to vote anyway? The only way they could is by absentee ballot. I did that once and guess what happened? I was asked for id. If someone needs a ride to get a photo id, I’ll gladly drive them.

  4. -9 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Jerry, your absolutley right. Sydney it won’t be an “asking” situation; it will be a “requirement”, big difference. Also, you may believe everyone should have to have a photo ID, but this is still the US my friend. I can just see the day someone is turned away and sues this backwards State for violation of a Constitional right. Unless they changed it while I was sleeping, I think it says you just need to be a US citizen? I do acknowledge the probelm exists on some small level. However, enacting something that may have the opposite effect just doesn’t make sense. Can we think of a better way to waste time?

  5. +12 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

    There are 16 states with voter photo ID laws on the books. In 2008 the Supreme Court, in a challenge to Indiana’s voter ID law, ruled it constitutional. Justice John Paul Stevens wrote “the application of the statute to the vast majority of Indiana voters is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting ‘the integrity and reliability of the electoral process.’ ”

    Voter ID critics allege that the laws are nothing more than an attempt to suppress voter turnout. In Georgia, the rates have actually risen since the law was implemented. And if these laws were really a back door ploy to disenfranchise a certain class of voters, can someone explain why every state with a photo ID requirement also has a provision to supply a government issued photo ID at no charge to those needing one?

  6. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1DK

    Heck, why not just take away the requirement to register or even give my name! Just take my word for it that I’m a US citizen, over 18, and haven’t voted already. I look honest, don’t I?

  7. -10 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

    This bill, and others like it, is no more than an effort to suppress votes and provide a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist, which is typical of the actions of our current state legislature. Someone please show me the abundant evidence of voter fraud in NH or any other state in the country. The evidence is quite clear that these bills are being pushed by highly partisan conservative groups with the intention of keeping younger voters and minorities away from the polls. The timing is incredibly cynical. To suggest that this initiative is being pushed with the pure intent of maintaining the sanctity of the voting booth is laughable. Obama haters will stop at nothing to help prevent his second term. There are a number of efforts by nut-job “birthers”, in states like Arizona and others, to keep President Obama off of November’s ballot completely, on the “grounds” that he wasn’t born in the U.S. There are efforts in Florida, and other states, to put highly restrictive timing requirements on voter registration initiatives in yet another attempt at voter nullification. This is simply another of those political tactics, all dressed-up to look perfectly reasonable.

    1. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Larry

      Paul, can you quantify exactly how much voter fraud you are ready to accept before taking action? (Full disclosure – I’m one of those who think that ANY fraud in the voting booth is too much.)

      I also have to say that I haven’t met even the first person who refuses to carry ID to drive – or to buy liquor, but for a privilege that conveys true long-term power in our society you think we should just trust whoever wanders up to the poll workers to be honest and without devious intent?

      If so, do you similarly believe that law abiding folks that want to buy a handgun should also be taken at their word and not forced to produce government identification to verify that they are who they say they are and not criminals? If not – why the different opinion?

    2. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      It seems you are a good soldier and have toed the party line, right down to parroting the talking points straight from the progressives’ playbook. Did you not read my statement where I debunked your allegations before you even had a chance to post them? Would you care to explain how this is an effort to keep people away from the polls when every photo ID law provides access to photo ID’s?

      Interestingly enough, I was unaware that illegal activity was required to be “abundant” before corrective measures were taken.

    3. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Paul, If younger voters went to High School, they have a photo ID issued from their school. If a younger voter is getting close to the age of 21, he will need an ID to hit a nightclub, buy a six pack, and get a glass of wine with dinner. The younger crowd will be able to vote if they want to do so.

  8. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

    Voter fraud is a serious issue. The solution is simple, photo ID’s. The State of NH provides both drivers and non-drivers ID’s. People as young as 12 years old can get a non-driver’s ID form the State. I fail to see any issue with ID’s for voting. All it does is bring legitimacy to the process. Don’t we want the process to be legitimate? We hear stories of dead people voting all the time. Then there is the whole ACORN situation. I think it’s about time this State stood up for what is right, honest and legal.

    Sydney brings up another good point. My ex moved out of town 9 years ago. She is still on the voting roles. I see her name every time I go in to vote. If I were not an honest person I could get someone to go in to the polls, give her name and vote as her. Of course that is fraud and I would never participate in such a thing, but for some reason we’re supposed to accept a system that is open to fraud. I personally think more effort needs to be made to keep the voter roles accurate. I bet there are hundreds of people registered in Londonderry that no longer live in town.

  9. +3 Vote -1 Vote +1BeingFunny

    I wonder if you need an ID to get an EBT card? Someone tried to use that as a form of id down in Mass.

  10. -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Paul, come now, we’ll have no truth here today. Wouldn’t it be a hoot if we knew what party affiliation the 50K mentioned in the article were? Also, I am LMAO at the no namers defending identication? Did I miss something here?

  11. -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

    You guys are the ones who are asserting that voter fraud is a “serious” issue, as Mac puts it. I assume that what you mean by “serious” is that it’s widespread and having a significant impact on elections locally. If so, provide your evidence. I’d like to think that when our legislators put forth a bill that they do so with an eye toward addressing an actual problem. There is a cost, both fiscal and opportunity, associated with the construction and implementation of a bill. Anecdotal evidence of dead relatives voting, someone’s ex-wife leaving town but still on the voter rolls, and the “Acorn situation” aren’t very compelling. No reasonable person is pro voter fraud. Towns should take steps to ensure that their voter rolls are accurate, and that voters are who they say that they are. We can reasonably differ on what those steps should be. I am, however, very concerned about legislation that will lead to greater difficulty for law-abiding and legal residents to exercise their right to vote. We already have a breathtakingly low percentage of our population that even bothers to make it to the polls. We have state legislators in this town winning elections with the affirmation of fewer than 10% of registered voters, and yet acting is if that 10% gave them a mandate to enact radically conservative social legislation. I would hope that we would all like to see some greater effort put forth to get more of our citizens, not fewer, to take an active voting interest in our democracy. But, there are very few visible initiatives being proposed nationally, and certainly none by our local state representatives, that are designed with the intent of greater voter participation. Our political fate today is largely in the hands of billionnaires and the Super Pacs that they fund, breeding further disenfranchisement of those of us of more limited means. Forgive for being more than a little suspicious of the origin and authors of most of these voter ID bills, and their intentions. To me, the end game is perfectly transparent.
    Frank, if this comes across to you as too parrot-like or as straight from the “progressive playbook”, as you so Fox News-like put it, I’m deeply sorry.

    1. +8 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      No, this one comes across as long winded yet devoid of substance. Let’s distill this issue to it’s most basic element. Simply answer this question, if every voter photo ID law contains a procedure to obtain a no cost ID for those needing one, please give us your insight into how this will “lead to greater difficulty for law-abiding and legal residents to exercise their right to vote.”

    2. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Your statement:
      We have state legislators in this town winning elections with the affirmation of fewer than 10% of registered voters, and yet acting is if that 10% gave them a mandate……

      When a majority of those participating in an election vote for certain people, even Al, then yes it is a mandate. Those who do not vote have not right to complain about what is enacted at the polls. I would take voter ID one step further. Three consecutive years of not voting, your name should be purged from the rolls.

      1. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

        Why wait three years? In your world, do the purged ever get another opportunity to vote? Or, are they doomed to be ruled by Al and his gang forever?

        1. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

          They would just have to re-register to vote. Your the one who made the comment than only 10% of us vote, so why are the other 90% even listed? This would save printing costs ( see comments above about exes leaving town 7+ years ago. These names would not be printed ) and it would save time at the polls with fewer sheets to comb through looking for my name.

          If you care enough to go vote, then your name would never be removed. No issues. Or should we never purge names that never participate?

          1. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

            The idea is to encourage and support greater civic participation, not less. Greater participation leads to higher quality candidates (badly needed), a more informed citizenry, and a healthier democracy. Punitive proposals, like yours, serve no purpose other than to perpetuate the current cycle of non-participation.

          2. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

            Paul, If 90% ( your number ) are not voting anyway, why would they care if their name was purged? With election day registration accepted in our state, there is nothing to stop them from re-registering to vote when they show up at the polls due to an issue they care about, as long as they had an ID, which everyone does. You have seen the list of things you need an ID for, and it is so extensive that you cannot function in society today without one.

          3. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

            Ken, I’m going to stick with my previous comments. I’m letting myself get sucked into a vortex that may never end.

          4. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

            And if all the people that no longer qualify to vote in Londonderry (people moved away, dead people, etc.) that 10% number would rise considerably (20% or 30% maybe) due to pure mathmatics. It’s not 10% of the town that votes, it’s 10% of the people on the roles that vote.

            I don’t want to see an increase in the number of people at the polls just to get a higher increase in voting numbers. I want people who know what’s going on to vote. The people that sign up just to vote for a certain president (like the Obama situation) just muddy the waters. Those people only vote every 4 years (and sometimes less) and are not involved in the political process whatsoever.

            From the founding of this country it has been the norm that only about 30% of the population vote.

        2. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

          Paul, we have same day voter registration. They have to re-up.

    3. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

      A “serious issue”? Damn right it is. If ONE person is able to vote fraudulently that nullifies the whole process. If someone breaks into and trashes your house do you consider that a serious issue? Why? It’s only one incident so how could it be serious?

    4. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

      So when 10% of voters elect a liberal legislator that enact radically liberal social legislation, we should be okay with that?

      Getting more people to vote is not the solution. Getting more people interested and educated in the policial process is the the solution. The problem is that only about 10-20% of the voters in town are concerened or educated enough to vote in elections other than the 4 year presidential election.

  12. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

    Steve, ironic point very well taken.

  13. -11 Vote -1 Vote +1Jerry Conner

    Interesting comments all. I agree that this is a solution looking for a problem. It reminds me of the “Red Scare” during the ’50s. Joseph McCarthy was seeing communists everywhere and was on a crusade to eliminate them no matter the cost or abuse to the Constitution.

    Paul is right. We should be encouraging people to get to the polls and vote…whether we agree with their vote or not. Putting obstacles in the way of voters is not a good idea.

    BTW…has anyone considered how easy it must be to produce a fake ID these days?

    1. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

      How is having to show an id an obstacle? Could someone please explain?

  14. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

    Let me answer this as succinctly and substantively as possible, so as not to upset your delicate linguistic sensibilities. It seems to me that the burden of proof is on you, Frank, to provide the evidence that this legislation is needed. Show to us your data that we have a voter fraud problem in this state that needs addressing. While your at it, please let us know where the funding will come from to produce these “free” IDs. Taxpayer money? Or, maybe there’s a secret voter ID fund that our state legislators held onto when they cut 45% out of state higher education funding.

    1. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

      How about the guy that was able to fraudulently obtain a ballot here last year? He was doing an expose on how easy it would be. He was able to obtain multiple ballots. He didn’t actually vote but was able to get ballots. But then I guess you would call that anecdotal evidence.

    2. +8 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      As I’m sure you are aware, nothing in life is free. The voter ID’s will require funding. The funding, however, is already in place. In October of 2009, President Bush signed into law the Help America Vote Act. This provides money to the states for election improvements, such as voter ID’s.

      As far as the legislation being needed, did you not see the Project Veritas expose where ballots in the name of deceased voters were handed out without any identification being required? This occured right here in NH. I would submit that incident alone as being justification for enaction of voter ID legislation. By the way, you never answered the question as to how the requirement of an ID is a roadblock to voting when the ID’s would be readily available.

      1. -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

        You’re absolutely right, Frank. Nothing in life is free. Conducting two major wars cost a few bucks. Federal income tax cuts with no off-setting means of revenue or cuts to programs leads to higher defecits and debt. Federal laws enacted in support of greater prescription drug benefits cost more than a few dollars. These are initiatives that your party, under George Bush, enacted but failed to devise a means of paying for them. That doesn’t sound fiscally repsonsible to me but maybe your math is different from mine. It’s good to know that the funding under the “Help America Vote Act” is still intact, while funding for higher eduction, prenatal healthcare for lower income women, and so many other vital programs is being reduced dramatically both at the state and federal levels by those in your party. Well done! James O’Keefe, of “Project Veritas”, is a largely discredited right-wing expose’ junky, who has been charged and found guilty of fraud and other crimes in multiple states. You must be able to do a little better than him to prove your case. I’m still waiting for your evidence that voter fraud is taking place in this state. I’ll be patient, knowing that this could take quite some time. Good luck.

        1. +7 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

          This will take no time at all. Did you see the Project Veritas video? Are you alleging that it was staged? If not, the video clearly shows how easily a ballot can be obtained under false pretenses. As for being discredited, only those who have been exposed see him as such. If you care to throw your lot in with ACORN, be careful, people are often judged by the company they keep.

          Also, deflecting the issue by referring to the funds spent by “my” party is a twofold error on your part. It has nothing to do with the issue at hand and it shows an incorrect assumption on your part. I am a constitutional conservative and a registered independent. I vote the man, not the party. Granted, being someone who believes the Constitution is one of the greatest documents man has ever produced usually puts me at odds with the loony left.

          You still have yet to answer my oft repeated query. How does the voter ID requirement inhibit participation at he polls when the ID’s are easily obtained?

          1. -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

            Video capturing the potential for voter fraud is not equal to data showing actual voter fraud. I’m guessing that you know the difference. I’m not sure of what “my lot” is, as you put it, and I am certain that you don’t either. As someone who also holds the US Constitution in the highest regard, I understand that the document is shared equally by all citizens. Those who assume some type of superior claim to it through a self-proclamation of “independent conservative constitutionalism ” greatly diminish its meaning.

        2. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

          Paul, Please never forget that the Democrats had control of both the House and Senate for the last two years of the Buish administration, so to claim everything is his fault is bull. Nancy and Harry have dirty hands as well. And if these things you mentioned that were done under Bush were so bad, then Obama ( in the Senate under Bush, so he knew about them ) Harry, and Nancy could have changed them during Obama’s first two years. They choose not to, so let’s get off the Bush bashing band wagon.

          As far as politicians needing any proof of a wrong doing to enact a law, let’s think about that for a while. At every level from the Town of Londonderry to the Federal Government, I’ll bet we could list hundreds of laws that were passed when there was no evidence of wrong doing. I’ll bet you could name a few yourself. But I’ll ask you a question. Can you name one person of voting age that you know who does not have some form of ID? I’ll bet you can’t.

  15. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Scott

    ID should be required. ID should be easy to get. That’s it.

    1. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

      ID’s ARE easy to get. The idea that ID’s cause voting to be more difficult or get in the way of the process is a strawman.

  16. -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Can not believe you really wrote that: “I don’t want to see an increase in the number of people at the polls just to get a higher increase in voting numbers. I want people who know what’s going on to vote.”

    You might want to re-think that statement or Is that the next requirement after the Identification?

    1. Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

      So based on what you just said, you would accept have uninformed voters casting votes on things they know nothing about? The reason we have had some lousy presidents in this country is because of the push for voter turnout without a push for educating voters. The politicians love that. Propaganda rules!

      I will say it again in a different way, I would rather have a smaller voter turnout if it means the voters are informed voters than a larger turnout of uninformed voters.

  17. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    I appreciate the effort. Just how would one judge someone’s Level on “informed” vs. another? I’ll expain, I could call you uninformed or you could call me uninformed. Based on what you wrote I would put the uninformed label on you. The point being who would be the judge? I hate the break the news, but more people at the polls is democracy in action my friend. Boo-Yah.

    Lastly, I understand the Obama Bashing. Just to clarify, I think people got tired of seeing the Bush whacker single handly destroy this country and wanted change. But that’s just a guess.

    1. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Steve, The last two years of Bush, we had the Democrat controled House with nancy Pelosi, and the Democrat controled Senate with Harry Reid. Why is it that everything is Bush’s fault, while Harry and Nancy skate with no liability, yet today, the Republican controled House is being blamed with blocking everything Obama want’s to do? Heck, they have only controled the House for 1 1/2 year, while Obama had Nancy there for two.

      Bush was not a great President, but please, you have yo agree that Nancy and Harry had, and still do, have some responsibility in our current situation.

    2. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

      Who said anyone had to judge the level of “informed”? I didn’t say that should a requirment to vote, you are putting words in to my mouth. I was saying that I have no problem with people that are uninformed or disinterested staying home on voting day. I don’t want people walking in to the polls and playing “eenie, meenie, minnie, mo”. That is not democracy in action, that is chaos. Why try to increase the number of people who vote just to increase the numbers? Is it because you feel it favors your particular political ilk? I believe in a cause and effect approach. I think getting more people interested and educated in the process will bring about a larger voting base as well as a more informed voter base.

      I was not bashing Obama (although he has been a major disappointment and will probably rank as on of the worst Presidents this country has every had). I was bringing up the point that there is usually a major push to register voters during presidential elections. Groups like ACORN will even sign people up multiple times and with fake names in order to get more votes rolling in. But thte people they are bringing in are not informed voters they are just numbers to beef up the vote count. Chances are the large majority of these people will only vote in presidential elections (maybe even only that one election) and have no interest in the process. This is not democracy, this is manipulation of the system.

  18. -8 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Hello Ken,

    I do agree there is plenty of blame to go around. With all the Obama bashing that’s goes on it easy for everyone to forget what an absolute disaster he inherited. Bring back Bill???

    1. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

      So if I inherit $50 million from my parents and 3 1/2 years later I’m totally broke because I made idiotic decisions on what to do with the money, it’s my parents fault?

      1. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

        No. That would be your fault. I think that you are attempting to make the analogy that Obama inherited a thriving economy and blew it. The small problem that you have with your analogy is that there was no thriving economy 3 1/2 years ago. It was a failing economy on the precipice of a full blown depression. Not sure of how you missed it.

        1. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

          I didn’t miss it. The analogy I was trying to make is that the situation was made worse by stupid policies and decisions. Then when those stupid policies and decisions don’t pan out the response is it’s Bush’s fault. While I agree that the current Idiot In Chief did inherit a mess he has made it worse. He’s 3 1/2 years into it. He himself said that if he couldn’t turn things around in 3 years he wouldn’t deserve a second term. I’m willing to oblige.

          1. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

            Come on Bill. Your “Idiot in Chief” with his “stupid policies and decisions”, as you so maturely put it, was not going to get your vote regardless of what he did while in office.

        2. Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

          It was a failing economy with Nancy and Harry in charge of two branches of Government.

  19. -2 Vote -1 Vote +1Stee Homsey

    Mac, I have enjoyed the conversation; however, I can see this is going nowhere. I am going to yield to someone else.

  20. Vote -1 Vote +1Louis

    If you only show an ID in Londonderry you CANNOT vote. I tried it once, they asked for my name I handed them my NH drivers license. They asked again for my name and I pointed to the NH photo ID. They asked one more time and I pointed to it again. Their response was “If you do not say your name you CANNOT vote”

    1. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

      Could it be that they were a recent grad from one of our country’s stellar school systems and simply can’t read?

  21. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Ericka

    After hearing from Jerry Connor on the many citizens (elderly) that don’t have ID’s I don’t buy it. Just because someone is elderly does not exclude them from producing who they are when it comes to banking and other things in everyday life. “Elderly this and elderly that”. Stop using the elderly and the minorities as a bully pulpit. I’m sure most are capable of what needs to get done, and if they are infirmed I hardly think they would give a hoot.

    1. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Great point. The elderly I know and communicate with ( both my parents are in their 80′s with many friends ) are all pretty sharp, thankfully.

      And young people use the internet to buy tickets to concerts, but need an ID to get them at the show.

  22. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Interesting article: The National Memo
    “Republicans’ Voter Suppression Project Grinds On”

    June 22nd, 2012 12:38 pm by Jonathan Alter

    June 22 (Bloomberg) — Mitt Romney was in Michigan this week trying to make it competitive in the presidential election. It’s a steep climb for the native Michigander because President Barack Obama’s auto bailout, which Romney opposed, has helped bring the state’s unemployment rate down by 5.7 points since 2009.

    But Romney has a strong ally there: legislation being pushed this month by his fellow Republicans aimed at preventing the nonpartisan League of Women Voters from undertaking the voter-registration drives it has sponsored for nearly a century.

    Across the country, the Republicans’ carefully orchestrated plan to make voting harder — let’s call it the Voter Suppression Project — may keep just enough young people and minorities from the polls that Republicans will soon be in charge of all three branches of the federal government.

    Yes, both sides try to change voting laws to favor their team. The 1993 “motor voter” law that made voting more convenient by extending registration to the Department of Motor Vehicles helped mostly Democrats. That was at least in the long American tradition of expanding the franchise.

    The Republican effort to restrict voting isn’t just anti- Democrat, it’s anti-democratic. No fair-minded person believes the tall tales of voters pretending they were someone else, which have been debunked by the Brennan Center for Justice and others. What fool would risk prison or deportation to cast a single vote?

    Makes one wonder?

    1. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Yes, a very unbiased report from The National Memo. I’ll bet Jonathan Alter didn’t let his beliefs enter into this either……..

  23. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Ken, most likely so, but who doesn’t have a baised opinion? Just wanted to share what’s out there in the world or outside the confines of this room. Don’t want anyone to be Mis-”informed” now, do we?

    Informed: “Prepared with all relevant information or knowledge”

    1. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Steve, please. Most likely so? Saying that is like saying Rush is only slightly right of center……. The bias in the article you posted is so open, it was a waste of my time to read it, and no it does not inform with facts. It mis-leads.

    2. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

      Actually, that article is full of misinformation.

  24. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Hello Ken, Easy now, just trying to make a point.

    Mis-leads; by any chance would that be your opinion??

    1. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Debating the issues is fine, but posting dribble from something that is so far left of center and biased doesn’t help your cause. And yes, it mis-leads:

      has helped bring the state’s unemployment rate down by 5.7 points since 2009.

      Someone reading the above statement may walk away thinking MI had an unemployment rate of 5.7, when in truth, it is ranked 44th at
      10.3% at the end of 2011.

  25. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Ahh Ken, In the words of Jerry Mcguire: Help me, help you. Despite everything you write; It is still your opinion! The same as the person who wrote the article. If one ever wondered why nothing gets accomplished in Washington, one just has to check out this site. One side has to be completley wrong in order for the other side to be right.

    From what I have read this past week, if one doesn’t share yours, Mac’s Frank’s opinion; they, if not wrong are mis-informed.

    And that’s the point….

    Methinks thou dost protest too much….

    1. +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

      I never said that Steve. Once again you are putting words in my mouth. Being uninformed and misinformed are two drastically different things.

      When I say that people are uninformed I mean that they are not following the news, just don’t care (non-political) or don’t know how to get accurate information. I’m not saying they are stupid or disagree with me. Life can be busy and chaotic for some, especially in bad economic times like we have now, so they don’t feel they have the time to stay informed. Then there are those that think that no matter what happens we’re screwed because the system is set up that way so they just don’t care.

      When people are uninformed that opens the door for misinformation (lies, manipulation, propaganda). Misinformation goes beyond opinion. Opinion should be based on solid information but instead we have people forming opinions on out right lies and purposeful manipulation. Two people can look at accurate data and get seperate opinions from it. That’s okay, I have no problem with that. Sadly, we live in a society that has lost a lot of that. We’ve become polarized by the propoganda machine.

      A few years back I had a debate online with a woman that said she was kept “the truth” about American politics. She was basically buying everything Michael Moore said and throwing grossly inaccurate left wing websites up as proof of the lies she was preaching against. Yet a all of the information she was basing her opinion on was political propaganda. So I threw a couple of right wing and centrist website links out to her and she went nuts saying I was purposely misleading people. She could not see how her opinion was based on manipulated data and she was in fact leading a charge to mislead (no matter how innocent she really was). She is a good example of political world we live in.

      I recommend “factcheck.org” to anyone looking to get beyond the propaganda so you can gather some informed decisions. It’s about as close to unbiased as any source.

  26. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Jerry Conner

    When you guys talk of purging the voter list you are really getting scary…jack boot and goose step scary. One need look no further than recent events in Florida to understand how well THAT process works. Only a coincidence that nearly 90% of the names to be purged were either minorities or Democrats? Fortunately those in charge of the voter lists at the county level refused to do it…and most of them were also Republicans. Show me the proof of voter fraud in New Hampshire and I’ll shut up and go away…it doesn’t exist. Two years ago I was sitting in at a hearing at the State House for a bill that would eliminate the rights of college students to vote where they are attending school. The question of voter fraud was brought forth by a representative during his testimony. One of the questions repeatedly ask by the committee was how many cases of voter fraud have we had in New Hampshire? ONE documented case was presented at the hearing. That’s all any of those in attendance who supervise checklists could come up with. It is voter suppression. You can paint it up and put a bow on it but it’s still voter suppression.

    1. +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      No=one has ever been killed by a bazooka in New Hampshire, but I’ll bet I cannot own one legally. How come? If there were never any recorded cases of murder by bazooka’s, then by your reasoning, they should be legal.

      There are laws passed every day to protect from somethying that has never been documented, but I’ll take your statement one step further.

      One of the questions repeatedly ask by the committee was how many cases of voter fraud have we had in New Hampshire? ONE documented case was presented at the hearing.

      One case of voter fraud is enough to change the laws if no cases of murder by bazooka is reason to outlaw those handy little weapons.

    2. +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      I have to say that Jerry, Steve, and Paul are consistent, consistently misinformed that is. You want empirical evidence? Paul Bergeron is the city clerk of Nashua. In 1999 he told The Union Leader “a Nashua man voted in one ward and then traveled to another ward and asked for a ballot using another’s name.” He also recounted how in Plymouth, a Tilton man pled guilty to misdemeanor voter fraud and was fined $800. In 2004, Bergeron told The Union Leader that he occasionally catches Massachusetts residents using mailbox addresses to avoid higher car taxes and registering to vote. And let’s not forget Londonderry’s own Mark Lacasse, who at 17 voted in the presidential primary using his father’s name.

      This discussion seems to have gone off on a tangent. The underlying question remains unanswered by the self appointed champions of the unidentified. How does a voter ID requirement disenfranchise voters when ID’s are there for the asking? This is the last time I will put forth this interrogatory. Should you choose not to answer, you silence will speak volumes.

      1. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

        Frank, I must say that I am very disappointed in the volume of voter fraud data that you gathered, particularly given the amount of effort that, I’m sure, went into it. I can see clearly now that there was imminent need for legislation, particularly during this particular presidential election cycle. Three instances in twelve years is plenty enough for our legislature to spring into action and come to the rescue of the voting process. One question for you. Why would anyone risk five years in prison and a $10M fine for the sake of casting one fraudulent vote?

      2. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

        Frank, I must say that I’m a little disappointed in the volume of voter fraud data that you gathered, particularly given the amount of effort that, I’m sure, went into it. I can see clearly now that there was imminent need for legislation, particularly during this particular presidential election cycle. Three instances in twelve years is plenty enough for this legislature to spring into action and come to the rescue of the voting process. There was certainly no political motivation. One question for you. Why would anyone risk five years in prison and a $10M fine for the sake of casting one fraudulent vote?

        1. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

          I can’t tell if you lack perception or if you are purposely being obtuse. You took the instances I provided and made them out to be the definitive number of transgressions. Let’s say the IRS prosecuted 50 NH residents last year for tax fraud. Does that mean that there were only 50 tax cheats in NH?

          Your arguments are specious at best and dissemble, distort, and deliberately mislead at worst. One can only wonder why some would tolerate, even tacitly approve, the opportunity for illegal voting to take place when corrective measures are easily implemented.

          1. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

            Frank, I have no doubt that if you had evidence of 50 instances that you would have trotted them out 40 responses ago. I’ll keep you guessing on the lack of perception versus obtuse thing. It’s more fun that way. It certainly couldn’t be that there may be other legitimate concerns and perspectives on efforts of this type that need examining. That just wouldn’t fit within your,seemingly, razor-thin ideological perspective.

        2. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

          Paul,

          Let me ask you a question. Say that you show up at the polls on Nov 6th. You give your name to be checked off. The person says to you “I’m sorry you can’t vote again.” You say “what are you talking about”? The person then says that “well your name is checked off, so you’ve already voted”. Wouldn’t you have an issue with that? I’m not saying that has happened to anyone in Londonderry. But I’ve seen reports in other states that this has happened. By requiring an id to vote is more or less a preventative measure or insurance policy against the possibility of this senario happening.

      3. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mary Wolf

        Frank,

        Remember a young man in Londonderry went to the polls and voted using his father’s name. He was caught. ID would have prevented this. The sad part in this whole discussion is our country has turned such a corner of political stupidness that it is time for this to happen. I support this law 100%.

  27. -8 Vote -1 Vote +1Jerry Conner

    OK Frank. I’ll bow to your empirical wisdom. We now have what? Four cases of voter fraud in New Hampshire?

    Ken. Yes, one case was presented at that hearing. NO cases of murder by bazooka that I’m aware of (although I’ll admit I left a half hour before it ended). It may take me a while to make the connection between voter ID and bazookas…bear with me.

  28. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Frank, I understand the mentality, one is too many and I know you have cited a few examples. I have acknowledged the problem exists on some infinitesimal level. What is the good of amending the constitution (in my opinion) and at the least inconveniencing 50,000? For what? For whom? I ask you to think about or just consider is this really a problem or is this an agenda being pushed? Honestly, with Rome burning we don’t have time for political games like these. If the legislature worked for me: your all fired!

    And for the record I don’t have to show an ID at Wal-Mart or Hannaford
    when writing a check, nor registering my car, or paying my taxes , etc.

    1. +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      I was waiting for all three amigos to answer (or not, as it appears) my simple question about ID’s. I will not do so again as there is obviously no logical basis for contradiction.

      As far a constitutional amendment goes, none is needed. The 13th, 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th Amendments all deal with voting issues. None proscribe the requirement of identification. Any powers not specifically enumerated as Federal belong to the State. That is why, as in the case of the 16 states that currently enforce voter ID laws, all that is required is legislative action at the state level. Let us all hope that New Hampshire will soon follow suit.

      1. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

        I have friends in Georgia. They are required to have ID to vote. They have none of the problems that are being fabricated by the anti-ID people. In fact, the system works smoothly.

    2. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

      Steve,

      As you say the “problem exists on some infantesimal level”. I agree with that. However, if say that for example that for a town election one person was able to cast a vote illegally. Not a big deal in the whole picture right. A few elections ago the council race was a dead heat and decided by literally a roll of the dice. Can you admit that only one fraudulent would could have invalidated the whole election and the votes of a couple of thousand people? Or on a larger scale say that for a state wide election 3 votes out of a couple of hundred thousand might be illegally cast. Not a big deal. After all it’s an infantesimal number. Tell that to Louis Wyman who lost the US Senate election to John Durkin here in NH by 2 votes back in 1974. Yup, an infantesimal problem that can have large consequences.

  29. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Frank, let us hope New Hampshire residents do a simple search on the topic and actually read something other than whats written here. Perhaps there is still room to formulate there own opinions.

    To all; I have enjoyed the conversations.

    1. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

      I bring up specifics and you run away?

  30. +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

    “Frank, I have no doubt that if you had evidence of 50 instances that you would have trotted them out 40 responses ago. I’ll keep you guessing on the lack of perception versus obtuse thing. It’s more fun that way. It certainly couldn’t be that there may be other legitimate concerns and perspectives on efforts of this type that need examining. That just wouldn’t fit within your,seemingly, razor-thin ideological perspective.”

    The fact that you claim to be able to discern my ideologies by means of a discussion on a single issue is amusing. Also, there is no need to keep me guessing. You last response reveals all that is needed to ascertain much about you.

    1. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

      Ouch! Maybe just a little thin-skinned?

  31. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

    I think everyone who is still paying attention to the posts on this matter can all agree on three things:

    1. None of us will ever change our position on this matter with what we are posting here.
    2. Those of us who feel voter ID is needed are on the correct side of the arguement
    3. Those of you who feel voter ID in not needed are on the wrong side of the arguement

    Case closed, and have a great day :)

  32. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Not so fast. Well, well, what do we have here? Should have changed the title to “There she blows” I little something to have with your breakfast tomorrow; ala the truth!

    Pennsylvania lawmaker sparks fire over voter ID comment

    Posted by
    CNN’s Ashley Killough 06/26/2012

    (CNN) – Pennsylvania Democrats are fuming over a comment made by a Republican state representative, who said a controversial voter identification law will help Mitt Romney carry Pennsylvania in November.

    The comment has Democrats on edge, as they say it further proves their argument that the law was politically motivated and created to help Republicans.

    Mike Turzai, the state’s House majority leader, made the remark Saturday at the state’s Republican State Committee meeting, according to PoliticsPA.com. After listing off a series of GOP legislative accomplishments involving Second Amendment rights and abortion regulations, Turzai mentioned the new voting law, which requires voters to show a photo ID, as one of those GOP victories.

    “Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done,” he said, drawing applause.

    While Republicans argue the new law helps to fight fraud, Democrats make the case that the new requirement aids Republicans in the voting booth-and Turzai’s comment, they say, represents further evidence of their claim.

    “Mike Turzai’s admission that Voter ID only serves the partisan interests of his party should be shocking, but unfortunately it isn’t. Turzai’s comments are typical of a leader and a party that has consistently put their interests ahead of the interests of Pennsylvania,” said Pennsylvania Democratic Party spokesman Mark Nicastre in a statement.

    Just remember folks you heard it from the three wise men (excuse me Amigos first) But, have some fun it’s all over the news!

    And no I don’t expect anyone here to climb off there elephant but EVERYONE now knows the truth. Admit it, it’s of kind of refreshing. Only problem left is what do with our Legislature. ?

    1. +7 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      The truth? You can’t handle the truth. Here is the truth, straight from your CNN story:

      While Republicans argue the new law helps to fight fraud, Democrats make the case that the new requirement aids Republicans in the voting booth-and Turzai’s comment, they say, represents further evidence of their claim.

      That sums up the entire debate quite nicely. The law does combat fraudulent activity at the polls and it certainly benefits one party over the other. Why is that? Because one party in particular reaps the spoils of an illegal vote, even courts it. Because one party buys votes with social entitlement programs aimed at those most likely to be illegal voters. Because one party refuses to acknowledge that when you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both. The Democratic response brings to mind a child braying that the game isn’t fair because he is not allowed to cheat. And that, my friends, is the truth.

      1. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

        Frank, Debating Steve on this issue is like spitting into the wind. Your comment above is dead on, and Steve knows it, but he won’t admit it. And the biggest reason voter ID laws got traction was the Acorn voter registration drive. And again, Steve knows this. But let’s stop spitting into the wind here…..

      2. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

        Well said Frank… The comment made by Turzai is over the top and probably not completely accurate. All it did was fuel the fire for the other side. But the response of the Dems is very telling in itself. It shows the admission of benefitting from illegal votes.

    2. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

      Steve/Paul

      Another day passes without comment when I bring up specifics. Just goes to show that for the most part liberals are unable to win arguments with facts. So they use the abstract and when called on it they cave.

  33. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Ken, Frank It truly is a sad state of affairs. ie. you can lead a horse to water, but make him drink it. No one was ever debating the right or wrong of it (except you folks). What’s at issue is WHY. And we all know the answer. Frank, you wanted a reason, well there it is! You folks wonder why nothing gets done or will get done? Really? It’s dogmatic views! Ken, “If your on the opposite side your just wrong”. What is that? It’s a rouse and counts on folks like you to succeed. As I have stated before; if wonders why our goverment doesn’t work, one needs to look look no further than this room. I am truly amazed you fight on knowing the “reason” behind it. Speaking further with you two would be a waste of time. The almighty himself could come down and tell you it’s a rouse and you still wouldn’t believe it. But keep doing your best to Stamp out what’s really happening.

    1. +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Ken, “If your on the opposite side your just wrong”. What is that?

      It was a joke. Didn’t you see the smiley face?

    2. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      Ken, Frank It truly is a sad state of affairs. ie. you can lead a horse to water, but make him drink it. No one was ever debating the right or wrong of it (except you folks). ARE YOU SAYING THAT REQUIRING ID’S IS RIGHT?

      What’s at issue is WHY. And we all know the answer. WHAT IS THE “WHY” AND WHAT IS THE ANSWER?

      Frank, you wanted a reason, well there it is! I MISSED IT. WHERE IS IT?

      You folks wonder why nothing gets done or will get done? Really? It’s dogmatic views! Ken, “If your on the opposite side your just wrong”. What is that? It’s a rouse and counts on folks like you to succeed. As I have stated before; if wonders why our goverment doesn’t work, one needs to look look no further than this room. I am truly amazed you fight on knowing the “reason” behind it. AGAIN, WHAT IS THE REASON?

      Speaking further with you two would be a waste of time. The almighty himself could come down and tell you it’s a rouse and you still wouldn’t believe it. But keep doing your best to Stamp out what’s really happening. WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING? (AND IT’S SPELLED RUSE.)

  34. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Hello Ken,

    N0, I missed it. Must have been the heat of the moment. Just wanted to let you know I have agreed with alot of what you have wriitten in the past . I agree, we will not come to an agreement on this issue. Whether I agree or not it maybe a good thing; It is nullified by what is taking place in the political arena at the moment.

    I remain hopeful people have followed what we have written, do there own research and come up with the own opinion on the issue. After all that’s why we do battle here.

    Take care.

  35. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Jerry Conner

    It’s been a lively conversation. Just for the record, I don’t believe anyone here wants to see voter fraud, including me. Voting is more than a right or privilege, it’s a responsibility. Democracy only works if everyone participates in it. I encourage all eligible voters to get off their duffs and vote in the coming elections (and if you’re in doubt as to who to vote for get in touch and I’ll be happy to help you decide :) ).

  36. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Mac, agreeing with Frank now there’s a shocker. Let me help you: Ahh, he was taken out of context, Ah, he had a momentary lapse in judgement, ahh, he claims temporary insanity, Whatever… The real agenda has been EXPOSED. My only advise; Next time, try and focus on the real issue without trying to hide it to sway opinion. It just might give the Rep party some validity. Remember “Believe in America”

    1. +7 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      Yes, the real agenda has been exposed. The real agenda is to have elections where the outcome is not influenced by large blocs of illegal voters, where voters aren’t intimidated at the polls by Black Panther Party “workers”, and where absentee ballots aren’t fraudulently submitted. That is the real issue and there has been no attempt made at concealing it. What one are you speaking of?

  37. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Just one question Frank: How long have you been aware of this? I don’t remember reading this in any of your past posts on the issue? I’ll understand if you don’t answer.

    I don’t know about you; but I can quite tired of commenting on this subject.

    1. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      I am more than happy to answer you, even when you can’t formulate a proper question. Perhaps you should step away from the bottle, drunk posting is quite unseemly. I understand your weariness in this debate, losing does that to you.

  38. +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

    As my last comment on this issue I will share this news. SB289 which had previously passed in the Senate, has passed the House by a 231-112 margin and Voter ID is now law. Sanity, common sense, and fair play has prevailed.

    1. Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

      Do you think the Governor will veto this?

      1. +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

        They both passed by veto proof margins.

      2. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

        Oops, sorry… I should have read the news story first. I guess this is an override to the Governor’s veto.

  39. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    OK Frank, we’re done. If you can’t be civil what’s the point. I thought as much.

    1. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      On September 9th, 2011 at 8:38AM, on this very website, you directed a post at me that finished with this:

      “Lastly, do your parents know you are using a computer???”

      Pot, meet kettle. You lose again.

  40. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Only difference is I have stopped and you have obviously have not. When I read your last post I actually wondered could that be the same Frank who was acting so uncivil a while ago? Guess I was right.

  41. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Baby Boomer

    Jerry Conner, If you believe it’s that much of a pain to have a process in place that protects voter fraud than your a bigger jerk than I thought. The thought of wasting all this energy over a simplistic measure is pure madness. Did everyone forget about 911 yet? If we can’t take even the smallest of protection measures against the ill minded than lets all put our hands up. As far fetched as it may sound could it ever be possible for a cult or crimminal entity to corrupt a town election for illegal gains? Ha Ha Ha…go figure.

  42. +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Baby Boomer

    Now I know why I stopped coming to this rag site. It’s because of small minded people like Jerry Conner. Bye!

  43. -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Homsey

    Final thoughts. I am going to call it a cleansing.
    First Frank; I find the previous post laughable. Did I write that, sure I did. However, I wonder why you did not post your many comments to others and myself during that period. To refresh your memory, you tee’d off on anyone that had an opinion that differed with yours. Insults and attacks from your posts were flying. I also remember the crack about putting down the bottle and drunken post used then. When I wrote my comment, you cried foul. I can’t remember if you were posting anonymously at that time? If true, I would find that extremely ironic given the topic of the last week. I strongly believe further communication with you is aiding and abetting bad behavior. However, others do read these posts so it’s important for them to know.

    The Issue. As we all now know the governor’s veto was overturned and is now slated to become law. We also know this was done based largely on a misrepresentation of the facts. It never was about some 17 year old or Betty Sue using her grandmother name. That was the smoke screen. It is common knowledge this is wholly a political agenda pushed. Let me sum it up for you: A law was passed based on misrepresentation of the facts (or at the least the reason behind it), designed to combat misrepresentation by voters (Voter Fraud) at the polls. Misrepresentation / Misrepresentation = Law. Not sure I’ll ever get my head around that equation. For me, I have never really got into the right or wrong of it. I was solely focused and exposing the reason behind the agenda. At this I would call it a small victory. What’s done is done, at least for now.

    What I think about, since I am not celebrating, is the little phase someone wrote last week: Cause and Effect. People that know me know this is one of my favorites. Why; because you can’t have an Effect without a Cause and reversly you can’t have a Cause without an Effect. The Cause we know, a law was passed. The EFFECT, now that’s another matter. Make no mistake my friends we will find this out in a few months. Here’s why, I believe I read the number of voters without ID in the US is estimated at 21 Million or some say 11% of potential voters, which ever a huge number. This is made up predominately of the blind, other disabled, elderly and young. Will they just fall away; I guess one party hopes so and that would be an Effect. Another, perhaps they gain the knowledge of how this came to pass and being human get a little PO’d at the party that pushed it. That would be called a backlash Effect. One thing is for sure, we shall see….

    Lastly, to Paul and Jerry thank you for “hanging in there” despite overwhelming negativity and in my case personal attacks.
    See you at the Polls!

    1. +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Campisi

      Wrong again Steve. No insults, no attacks, no anonymous posting. Here it is if you, or anyone else, cares to refresh their memory. Quite a losing streak you’re on Stevie boy.

      http://www.londonderrynh.net/2011/09/letter-to-council-dont-ban-shooting-in-musquash/41974

    2. +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Even a blind man needs a picture ID to fly on a plane.
      Even an 18 yo needs an ID to pick up concert tickets he purchased with his I-Phone.
      Even the elderly are smart enough to get an ID to vote ( heck, I’ll bet most have one already )

      Steve, your dead wrong. If we lose 10% of the voters in November, I’ll bet some were frauds, and the others we lost would not vote for Obama again, couldn’t vote for Romney, so they stayed home.

    3. -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

      Steve, you fought the good fight but at some point it’s best to end the discussion once the quality of the comments degenerate, as they did many days ago. Those who look thoughtfully at this issue, and other voter restriction efforts like it across the country, know that these efforts have nothing to do with addressing the potential for voter fraud and has everything to do with devising ways of reducing the voter turnout in November. Fewer voters at the polls translates into a higher potential for GOP victories. They are swimming against a demographic tide that is indisputable and overwhelming. So, rather than enaging and persuading voters, new and old, on the merits of their philosophy, they resort instead to tactics that will keep the turnout as low as possible. It’s painfully simple and obvious.

      1. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

        ID’s are a deterent to voter fraud. I don’t know how anyone can say otherwise.

        So my question is this… If ID’s will not help deter voter fraud (in your opinion), what will? What is the democrat (left wing) solution to this problem? Instead of crying foul, offer a solution?

        1. +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

          Here is what is going to happen, and also what should happen.

          In an act of civil disobedience, many people will try and vote without an ID, clogging up the system. Our Police should watch them, because after they file a “provisional” ballot, they should be followed, and if they get into a car they should be stopped. No license, get arrested. Have a license, get arrested for falsly stating there was no ID at the polls.

          1. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

            I like it. Maybe you, Frank, and Mac can be sworn in as voter police so that cash-strapped towns don’t have to pay overtime to actual police officers. If you ask nicely they may even give you a badge and some pepper spray.

        2. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

          Mac, I’ll stay with my previous posts on this topic. Just trying to give Steve a little relief. We’ve beaten this thing to death. Our legislature, in their collective wisdom, has spoken. We can now move on to topics like personhood legislation and tactics that our legislature might use to inhibit full implementation of the health care law in NH. Never a dull moment with that crew. Stay tuned.

          1. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

            So basically, your offering no solution and dodging the issue. Just throwing stones at the other side.

  44. -8 Vote -1 Vote +1Xena

    I don’t have an id and I can’t even get one because I don’t have enough papers to prove who I am. In New York you need 6 points worth of identification and I don’t have enough or any way to get more. Ironically many of the things you can use as proof require an id to get.

    1. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

      Baloney… In NH you need two forms of ID to get a non-license ID as well a proof of residency. Here is the list of acceptable items.

      http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/dmv/forms/documents/identification-residency.pdf

      Everyone can get a birth certificate without issue. Social security cards are easy to get and even Londonderry High School gives out picture ID’s to its students. Teenagers get thier driver’s licenses every day and they need to produce enough ID to get one. If a 17 year old kid can ID him/herself, then you can.

  45. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Xena

    Apparently it’s way easier in your state. It’s not in NY. If I was in your state I could get one. All I’d need is my birth certificate, social security card, and verification from my mother or landlord.

    In NY you need 6 points and I can only get 4. I have my birth certificate, social security card, a credit card, and a ged.

    http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/id44.pdf

  46. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Xena

    In NH I could easily get one. In NY it’s not that easy. You need 6 points and with my birth certificate, social security card, credit card, and ged I only have 4 points. I’m pretty much screwed and don’t know how I’ll get an id.

    http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms/id44.pdf

  47. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

    I looked at the points list and I see plenty of possible items on that list that are easily obtainable (for instance a copy of a W2, bank statement, and a high school ID).

    But the law we passed here in NH has provisions in it to assist people when they do not have an ID.

    1. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Xena

      I made a comment yesterday but it said something about it being flagged as spam so I don’t know if it will be posted. I don’t have those things. I don’t work or have a bank account and I never had a school id. I never did taxes.

  48. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

    Wow, you’re old enough to vote but have never paid taxes? You’ve never had a job?

    1. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

      Could be true, but then couldn’t Xena use her EBT card as an ID?

      1. -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Xena

        I’m in my 30s, worked 7 weeks total in my life so I didn’t make enough to do taxes, and I don’t get benefits or I’d have enough points. The lady at the dmv even asked if I had a benefit card.

        I’m pretty much a recluse and live with and am supported by my mother. If I ever want to venture out and do things like get a job or have a bank account I’ll need to figure out some way to get an id though.

        1. Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

          Xena, it sounds to me like you have bigger problems that not having an ID. Every day people are able to get ID’s (driver’s licenses mostly) without a problem. Even in a state like NY that requires more documentation than other states. You’ve got a lot of excuses but the truth is you need to step up to the plate and do what has to be done to get an ID. Your state gives you A LOT of options.

          BTW, unless you have some sort of disability I have a hard time believing that you have reached your 30′s without some sort of documentation. Even someone that works only 7 weeks has to fill out a W2.

          1. Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

            This is actually Steve logged in as his alter ego…

            Kidding folks, just kidding…….

      2. +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

        They certainly can in Mass.

        A quick story. I was in BJ’s the other day. I was behind someone buying a 50″ flat screen. When it was time to pay, the woman pulled out her EBT cards. That’s right cars plural. She had six of them. She was speaking to another woman in spanish as to which card she shoiuld use. The other woman said does it rerally matter they should all have enough money on them . The cost of the tv was $1499.00 she had six cards in her possesion that had at least $1500.00 on them. It appeared to me that they thought I couldn’t understand spanish.

      3. -2 Vote -1 Vote +1Xena

        I don’t have an EBT card. I’m not on welfare. I live with my mother.

  49. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

    Mac, I’m not one to offer solutions to non-problems. If you see that as stone-throwing or dodging than so be it.

  50. Vote -1 Vote +1Mac

    If you see voter fraud as a non-problem, then I guess you wouldn’t offer solutions because you see a corrupt system as acceptable.

    1. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

      Your focus on corruption within the system is entirely mis-directed. The exponential growth of money in the election process, made much worse by the Citizens United debacle, is the most corrupting influence in politics today. Let’s get a little perspective, shall we?

      1. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

        The problem with your argument is that the SCOTUS has determined that $$ contributions are protected under the first amendment of the constitution. Thus perfectly legal whether you argree with it or not. However, the constitution states that you must be a US citizen to vote.

        1. -2 Vote -1 Vote +1Paul Skudlarek

          Bill, the problem with your response is that I didn’t refer to the legality or constitutionality of big money contributors in the political process. What I am referring to is the increasingly corrupting influence of unlimited campaign contributions coming from billionnaires and large corporations, with little to no transparency. That’s the much bigger threat to our democracy, regardless of which side of the political aisle in which you may fall.

          1. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ken McLoon

            You want to hear something funny? Holder spoke at the NAACP convention, and said how he would stop any voter ID laws, yet if you were a member of the press, and wanted to attend that speach, you not only had to show press credentials, but another form of picture ID…

          2. Vote -1 Vote +1Bill

            Believe it or not I agree with what you’re saying. But there is nothing anyone can do about it, short of passing a constitutional amendment.

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